If you have put your trust in God and are truly serving Him, then it really doesn’t matter who is in charge.

Love you

I have a little background with working and exploring how the government operates through school, internships, and jobs I have held.

I have learned that there a good, wise, and moral people in all walks of life (and faiths).

Now the issue is should it matter what faith a candidate subscribes to?

Simply put – No

Just as it was stated in Federalist Paper # 51

“If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary. In framing a government, which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed; and in the next place oblige it to control itself.”

I do not trust the either of the two major candidates any further than I can throw them, but I have to have faith that the system will work, and that we will be protected. As long as we are free to worship or not, then there is no real issue. We cannot dictate what others believe, we just have to have faith that it will ultimately be right.

As stated before God’s leadership is supreme. If the leadership of man is in question, God’s isn’t. Am I scared for the future? Not really. I know it will all be worked out in the end.

I have missed you and Shannon and know that you have lots of things going on. What you have said here gets to the heart of the matter as put forth. Everyone so far has made valuable contributions to the discussion.

Since my thoughts seem to roam so much I am preparing a post that will address my own thoughts now.

Let me know what you all think after I post it.

Love you

I have appreciated you all sharing in this discussion as this is something about which I have thought a great deal. My problem with voting for a candidate because he/she claims “Christianity” is that I think it opens us up to being deceived. What candidate would act negatively towards Christianity when it is politically expedient to be a Christian? But, our nation is changing quickly, and there could be a day when it is more politically expedient to be Muslim. What then?

I know you guys are Christians, not because you claim to be Christians, but because of how lovingly you have treated Shannon and me – because of your love for the lost. In fact, Jesus says in John 13.35 (TNIV), “By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”

Now, if everyone in the United States could get to know each candidate in a more intimate setting, then we would have a better knowledge of who (if any) of them are Christians, but this is a physical impossibility.

So, where does that leave us? That leaves us with the issues and policies that each candidate represents. That leaves us with how qualified a person is to lead such a large venture. That leaves us with who we think can handle an economic crisis and dwindling foreign relations and a war that keeps dragging on and on. Looking at the issues actually yields a better idea of the morality of the person than the religion that person professes.

I have known people who vote for a candidate without researching the candidate. They vote merely because the candidate is a member of a political party that these people view as “Christian.” To me, this is misguided. Research and prayer are necessary to make an educated decision.

Also, as Sonny states, the president must represent everyone in the United States – Christian or not. In light of the manner in which Christianity has been used in the past to perpetrate great evil (Crusades, etc.), this is important to remember. Whether our nation was founded as a Christian nation (and I am not so convinced that killing and almost exterminating Native Americans and having an economy based on slavery are Christian actions) or not, the fact is that this nation now has a variegated group of people who all need representation. We win people to Christ not by imposing our ideals on them but by showing how those ideals enacted in our lives can revolutionize humanity.

Love you all,
Shelly

I am holding off in the hope that more will give their opinions. It seems that some back off a little after I say what I have to say and I don’t want that.

Your thoughts help tremendously in the formation of my own.

I love you all

When you look at some of the beliefs of the major world religions you find that their moral compass is off. Hindus believe that we are oppressed in this life because of sins in past lives. The Hindu religion teaches that helping someone in need will deprive them of the punishment that is due them. Just look at the poverty and destitution and lack of basic human rights in countries run by Hindus. I don’t want that mindset in the leaders of the U.S. The Muslim religion teaches that the Christians and Jews that do not convert should be killed. They teach that the husband should beat his wife. They teach that marriage of a man to a 9 year old girl is acceptable. I don’t want that mindset in the leaders of the U.S.

I also don’t want a “Christian in name only” to lead the nation. We are commanded by God to help those in need. When children are being slaughtered by the millions and someone votes based on whether they think they will benefit financially instead of voting for the candidate who will protect the innocent I shudder to think of them standing before God and explaining their vote.

I think the Bible makes a good case for the fact that we can influence the selection of our leaders in opposition to God’s desire.

Hosea 8:4 They have set up kings, but not by me: they have made princes, and I knew it not: of their silver and their gold have they made them idols, that they may be cut off.

We are continually told that this is a secular nation but we can only be deceived because the historical facts were removed from our history books. John Jay, the first Chief Justice of the Supreme Court said it was our duty to prefer Christians as our rulers. Other founders said that our system of government would only work for a moral and religious people. Sad to say, it appears that we are going to find out the truth of their words.

Timely topic. Good job Sonny.

Luz You All,
Connie

While I can understand both issues addressed, and despising the political rhetoric and empty promises thrown about, I would like to say……

As a christian, I do not see how other christians or moral people do not see the whole picture.

If Senator McCain cannot win this election on his merit, credibility and reputation,
Senator Obama should at the very least lose the election based on his.