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Feb

A Small Truth

   Posted by: Sonny   in America, Truth, Unity

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

On Tuesday I tried to provoke a discussion about “rights” as declared in one of our nation’s founding documents.  I believe in a way that I failed.  It seems that we all have a tendency to assign our own definitions to words when it comes to ideology.  And many of us want to go off on tangents that take us to those things that we individually hold dear.  I sometimes get a little frustrated and when I try to clarify it may seem a little harsh.  I do not mean it that way.  I am just trying to get some answers to questions that I have.  I do want your opinions and your participation, even when we do not agree, but I do want to discuss from common ground.

kill-indiansIf you have ever discussed theology with one of our Catholic brothers, then you might understand.  As Protestants, most of us shore up our doctrine with the Word of God as proclaimed in the Bible.  But Catholics will quickly let you know that some of their beliefs are not biblically justified but are just as reliable doctrinally due to other things such as church doctrine, Catholic writings, the catechism, and even the words of the pope.  We can’t truly discuss anything with them because of the basic lack of an agreed upon foundation.

The same thing seems to be going on in my previous post.  Being a simple man, and maybe not at the level of intelligence as some of my commenter’s, I tend to read most things as they are written.  I am not trying to apply a certain definition to “rights” or “equal” or “life” or “liberty” or “the pursuit of happiness”.  I simply define them for what they are in light of the context of the words I am reading.  So I will define what I see being said as I go.

We hold these truths (an obvious or accepted fact; truism; platitude) to be self-evident (evident in itself without proof or demonstration; axiomatic.), that all men are created (to cause to happen; bring about; arrange, as by intention or design) equal (Having the same quantity, measure, or value as another.), that they are endowed (provided or supplied or equipped with) by their Creator (God) with certain unalienable (Not to be separated, given away, or taken away) Rights (Something that is due to a person), that among these are Life (the animate existence or period of animate existence of an individual), Liberty (freedom from arbitrary or despotic government or control, from external or foreign rule, from control, interference, obligation, restriction, hampering conditions, from captivity, confinement, or physical restraint) and the pursuit (an effort to secure or attain) of Happiness (good fortune; pleasure; contentment; joy).

It seems to me that this whole statement shows that the framers of this highly esteemed document did not really know the Creator very well at all.  Before you get angry at me, remember that I am not arguing about what the founding fathers wanted or tried to establish.  It seems they did their very best in a fallen, sin-stained, self-absorbed world to fashion a nation that takes the one thing in the statement above that is true, equality, and makes it almost a reality.  But even that has taken over two centuries.  Just think about why there was recently a historical precedent set when our newest president was inaugurated.

Our rights, especially life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are what we hang on to.  These are the points behind which we stand and declare that we are something special indeed.  It seems that our adversary relied on this same concept in the garden.  Aren’t we as special as God?  As Americans, we surely are.

When I read some of your comments over the last two days I am tempted to give in and agree with some of you.  All these things sound good to me but yet, I do not ever want to see something about God that is not true.  I really almost want to agree about life as a right but even that has to looked at as what it is.  And what is the word I would use instead of rights?  What, exactly, is life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?  I agree these do come from our creator, but they are not rights.  They, like everything else God has given us, are gifts.  Someone used the word privilege and that to me is not quite right either.  Privilege is like an allowance, something given maybe because it is earned or due.  I believe we can become even better soldiers for the Kingdom when we realize everything, all that we have, are “gifts”.

lynch_5When I read this famous statement and compare it to what I know and what the bible teaches me about God, about the only thing that stands as truth is the part about us all being equal.  But as we know from history, and even the times we live in, equality as a concept still has a long way to go.  Equality is very biblical.  We must start pursuing it like we do happiness.  We must start valuing it as much as we do our liberty.  We must start seeing it as being as important as life itself.

I, personally, do not think we have any rights, anything that I am owed just for existing, from God.  I instead thank Him for the gift of life, for the liberty I have in Christ, and in the place of happiness, for the sheer joy I have in being one of His.

My Declaration of Independence from the kingdoms of the world begins with…

I hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal and for a loving relationship with God and each other, that we are blessed by our Creator with more Gifts than we can imagine, and that among these are Life and  Liberty in Christ and Happiness and Joy by pursuing the Kingdom of God.

I thank God for these Gifts.

Love you all

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9 comments so far

Justin A
 1 

Sonny,

I don’t know if you want links here. You can take this one out if you need to. It is a list of phrases from the last will and testament of several founders that disputes without any doubt in my mind the notion that the founders were secular.

http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissuesArticles.asp?id=78

To answer one of your points, of course life is a gift from God. The founders would agree. The point of the Declaration of Independence was that Government did not have the right to take our life. Saying that we have the gift of life is true but does not make the point they were trying to make. The Declaration of Independence was addressing the fact that England was acting as if it held the right to its subject’s lives. The founders would agree that even the gift of life from God is dependent on God and he can withdraw it as he sees fit. He appoints our time to die.

Concerning Liberty, based on my reading of the founders, most people today have a different understanding of liberty than what the founders believed. Most people, I think, believe that we should have liberty to do what we want to do without any interference from the government. There is a problem with that view. If we have liberty to do what we want then that may interfere with the liberty of someone else. If I wish to throw rocks at windows, that will interfere with the liberty of the owner of the window. Most people would understand and agree, I hope. Someone’s liberty to publish pornography interferes with my liberty to live in a decent society. So, how can you have liberty? The only true liberty to which we have a right is the liberty to do what is right. Unrestrained liberty is not possible because the liberty of one infringes on the liberty of another. However, liberty to do what is right is possible. That is the liberty we all should strive for. The next question to ask, I suppose, is, “Who decides what is right?” The default position is for Christians to allow ungodly men to make all the laws that result in injustice, murder, slavery, stealing, etc. God got very upset with those who allowed those things to happen during Old Testament days.

February 6th, 2009 at 7:08 am
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Links are fine. Just know that more than two will delay your comment because it will need moderation.

Thanks

February 6th, 2009 at 10:54 am
John
 3 

if something is given to me, even though i may not deserve it, dosent it become then my right to have it?

February 6th, 2009 at 4:34 pm
 4 

No, it is a gift. And after you have it, it is yours. But that still does not imply that you even have a “right” to have it and before it was given it was definitely not a “right”

Rights are an illusion and gifts become possessions, but they were still never owed to you. It is yours but there is no guarantees about your ability to keep any gift.

Love you

February 6th, 2009 at 4:41 pm
John
 5 

If God says something is mine then it is mine by rights becouse God does not go back on his word. It is my right to have the gift becouse nobody can take it from me.

February 6th, 2009 at 9:41 pm
 6 

If rights existed you would only have them before attaining something. After attaining anything, it is not a right and is not even still a gift. It becomes a possession.

This is really not that hard so are you just trying to give me a hard time? If not then there is no way for me to convince you which is not what I am trying to do anyway. Define words with your own definitions if you want. That is what relativists do anyway. :wnk:

We have no rights, as far as I can tell and so far no one is convincing enough to change my mind. Just trying to redefine words to win a discussion won’t change my mind and if you are not just pulling my chain then I guess there at least a couple of you out there that I will not get through to.

:hh:

Still love you :luvu:

February 6th, 2009 at 10:22 pm
Justin A
 7 

Sonny,

I’m not sure what you mean when you say you have no rights. Do you believe you have a right to your possessions or should the government have a right to confiscate your house? In the commonly understood usage of the word “right” most people would say that we have a right to keep our possessions. What is the difference between the common usage and your definition?

February 6th, 2009 at 11:14 pm
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:hlp:

:hdbng:

February 6th, 2009 at 11:30 pm
 9 

I think we all agree that life, liberty, happiness, etc. (everything) hinges on God’s making such things available to us (as we are part of his creation). That apart from his gift of life, we cannot possess life. And when he does grant us life as a “gift,” it is still organically connected to God. Meaning (as Justin mentioned earlier about the founding fathers’ view) that we are completely (and constantly) dependent on God for all that is good. Such dependency precludes any entitlement to anything (e.g. life, liberty, etc.) based on some inherent “right” that we maintain because we are human. So, the fact that we have life, liberty and happiness “in God” underscores (all the more) the grace of God in sharing his love and goodness with is creation.

Just some thoughts. :)

February 6th, 2009 at 11:56 pm

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