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{TOTUS TUUS}

Posted by: Sonny in

This page is for you. That is what the Latin title stands for. It means “totally yours.” It sounds so much more important in Latin, doesn’t it?

First, let me assure you that it does not bother me that you make a comment or ask a question in a post that might not exactly line up with the article content. Saying that, I know that on a few blogs I have wanted to do the same thing but am trying to be considerate to the host. So my thought or question goes unanswered.

I played around with the thought of adding a forum. I decided at this time it is not needed. This site has already turned into much than I thought it might be. I initially thought I would be roaming around here alone. I am thankful that I have had the response that I have had so far.

I am learning from all of you.

This is the page that you can come to to ask questions of each other, to ask off topic questions of me, or just to say hello to someone you might miss. That way you don’t have to hesitate to keep from “hijacking” my post’s.

If this gets popular and I see a need for a forum, it will be added later. For now use the comment section to say what you want to say.

I will only step in if asked or if needed to avoid offense.

*****Nov. 8, 2008 It may become necessary to “prune” this section periodically. If your post disappears it will only be after it has enough time here to be read by most and if it is not directly related to an ongoing topic. You can let me know when you are tired of scrolling. I am trying to figure out if I can change the order of the comments to place the newest at the top. But only on this page. No luck yet. Anybody out there know how or if it can be done?*****

Love you all

53 comments so far

Connie

John,
I wanted to tell you how glad I am that you’re feelling better. I really am. It has absoutely nothing to do with the fact that I wanted to be the very first person to use the “Totus Tuus” page :halo:

I really do love you,
Connie

November 2nd, 2008 at 10:13 am

Chris

Hello to all, this is a great idea Sonny.

See this one was really short

November 2nd, 2008 at 11:55 am

Sonny

Your welcome.

Even shorter.

Love you

November 2nd, 2008 at 3:04 pm

john

this is a good idea Sonny. Connie i really love you too hopefully this will keep us from getting into more trouble with Sonny, i stay in enough hot water with him!! :jump: just joking Sonny…..but i do often get the DEEP sigh

November 2nd, 2008 at 7:38 pm

Sabrina Walker

I love this! Been trying to figure out a way to ask if we could have a comment page about other things or questions page about stuff we wanted to ask you. Thanks. :jump:

November 2nd, 2008 at 9:26 pm

Sonny

Just remember to comment on what I write.

As long as you all do not just end up in here playing together, all will be okay.

Love you

November 2nd, 2008 at 9:51 pm

Chris

I just wanted to say what an awesome example Sonny is as a man, and father. He works hard and does the best he can with whatever his means are.

He does nothing but love, even when he is saddened or disappointed in or by the decisions that people make.

Our life here is short, but people like Sonny make it worth putting forth the effort.

(Sonny: I am trying still to come to terms with everything, but I am working hard everyday to get things right especially for Alyssa and Sara. I love you)

Love to All,

Chris

November 3rd, 2008 at 12:38 pm

Sonny

Love you Chris.

More than you know

November 3rd, 2008 at 2:26 pm

Connie

Hey everybody. Just wanted to ask all of you to say a little prayer for me tonight. I have “pink eye” and it is really uncomfortable and itchy. Thanks.

Peace and Love,
Connie

November 3rd, 2008 at 6:59 pm

Sonny

Connie,

Done. And hope it does go quickly.

Love you

November 4th, 2008 at 12:07 am

Sabrina Walker

Please pray for my friend Kim. She is in a lot of pain and the doctors on base can not figure out why and help her. She has seen them 3 times since Friday. She is now being sent off base to a specialist. :angel:

Since my kids are not in school today, because of the election, I will be spending time with them. :jump: I will not be watching the election. I might glance at it from time to time but why watch it all day? One will win no matter what so why waste my whole day watching it? :?:

Connie, I am praying for you. Pink eye can be painful and burning. :angel:

I will be praying for the saftey of everyone voting today. My grandmother lives in a bad part of Ensley so my mom went and picked her up today to stay with her in Alabaster. My mom was not sure of her safety no matter what the outcome is today. :angel:

May everyone have a blessed day today. We are going to need it I think. :halo:

Sonny, thank you again for this website and for this page. Both are a great idea. And for the icons. I love playing with them. :jump:

Love to All!

November 4th, 2008 at 12:39 pm

Sonny

I noticed.

Love you

November 4th, 2008 at 2:58 pm

Sonny

Justin,
You said this over on the other post. That is okay but some people do not go back to the old post very much. I am moving this here because this is why I made this page. For you to say or ask off topic stuff and for people to get used to checking in here rather than continuall chasing down comments all over the site.

Your thoughts and question for all…

“I just read a column supporting OSAS (once saved always saved) and something occurred to me that I haven’t thought of before. One of the main arguments, probably THE main argument, in support of OSAS is that there is absolutely nothing you can do to obtain or keep salvation. Salvation is a gift of God and we can do nothing to obtain it or keep it. If we don’t believe that, we are trusting in ourselves instead of trusting in Christ.
But even this statement says we must do something our self. We must trust in Christ. If there were truly absolutely nothing we could do, the only path to salvation would be if Jesus saved us regardless of our trust in him. God would have to put the “trust” in us and so we aren’t really trusting in him, just exercising the trust he placed. To hold this view you must believe that for those who aren’t saved, the reason they aren’t saved is that God has not placed that trust in them. The logical conclusion if this is true is that there is no free will.
That means I was bound to write this paragraph.
That also means that people like me who argue that we do indeed have free will are pre-ordained by God to so argue.
What do you think?
I have to go now.
Really”

You are right in your assessment. Some of us can see the logical problem with rationalizing OSAS with free will. But the staunch Calvinist has no problem with it because they basically do not believe in free will and certainly not the libertarian free will that we ascribe to. They believe in the meticulous sovereignty of God. They believe He basically did what you said by placing the trust in us and causing you and me to write about it.

Besides that they believe He only picked some for this grace and others are just left out.
We also have our own set of problems with free will and God’s sovereignty. It is where most of my currents train of thought has been.

A question of my own. How can we truly choose or not choose if God already knows our choice? If He knows what we are to choose tomorrow, can I in fact, choose otherwise?

Love you all
.

November 6th, 2008 at 12:42 am

Justin A

I think it is a great idea to have this kind of forum. If it catches on, whatever time you have left will be gone.

I have two examples I would like you to comment on.
1.) We all know today what we did yesterday. That doesn’t imply we had no choice. Therefore, if God knew yesterday what we know today, that also doesn’t imply we had no choice.
2.)I know that I will not rob a bank today. That does not mean I don’t have a choice. I know what my choice will be, yet I can freely choose.

November 6th, 2008 at 6:56 am

Sonny

Justin,

I know the time thing actually scares me also. My time, that is.

In responding to your statements though, the time is at least for the moment available. The question is how can God know my response when I haven’t made it yet. It is being formulated as I write but is it already even there for Him to know. And if we imply that He doesn’t know it fully but maybe just has a very intelligently thought out prediction of what I will say based on my past responses, does that deny or belittle Him. I don’t think so.

1. Our knowledge on a past event has no bearing on choice. If we had one or not, what we know we did cannot be changed. So no answer there. But if God knew yesterday that I would say this very thing, then could I have said anything any different, and if you believe I could then I want the explanation as to how that can be possible. If He knows my action before I do anything, how can I defy that knowledge. Exhaustive foreknowledge seems to deny the very existence of free will. This is actually what our reformed brothers believe.

2. And your belief, not foreknowledge, about what you are going to do today or anytime in the future does not equate to this situation either. The very real fact that we all do some things that we never thought we would, still future to us, either is a statement for free will or it is a statement for Gods manipulation of us against our will. I believe in this free will. We can and do choose, whether we mostly know the probable choice ahead of time or not.

I believe God knows those same probable choices even better than we do. That’s one of the things that make Him who He is. Amazing. But I don’t see how He can exhaustively know my choices and how it is possible to go against that knowledge, logically taking away free will even if we perceive a choice.

Love you all

November 6th, 2008 at 11:52 am

Justin A

1. I believe exhaustive foreknowledge does not deny free will. The example I gave is not intended as proof that God knows or doesn’t know. That should be determined by checking what the Bible says about it. The example is a way to look at it so it doesn’t wreck the mind. If exhaustive foreknowledge denies the existence of all free will it seems to me that foreknowledge about anything would deny some free will. I think the Bible is clear that we have free will. God hated Esau from the womb. Yet Esau had free will.

2. Please allow me a little latitude on my analogy. It is hard to compare my knowledge with God’s. Of course I agree that there are some things we think we won’t do and end up doing them. But I also think that there are some things we do know. My point is that knowing that we will do something does not mean that we don’t have a choice to do differently. If that is the case, then God knowing (even though he knows better than me) also does not mean I do not have a choice.

I thought Shannon would have picked out some Bible verses by now to exhaustively prove one way or the other. I guess it wasn’t meant to be.

November 6th, 2008 at 9:09 pm

Sonny

If I could somehow know that there was no way I could make a certain choice, then it would indeed take away the aspect of free will. Exhaustive foreknowledge is just that, exhaustive. It implies that things cannot be changed. We are quick to deny the ideas of fate and destiny as put out by eastern philosophy but when we espouse the idea that God knows all before it happens then we are actually subscribing to the same thing. If God knows it will happen there is no way it cannot happen. For free will to really be what it is supposed to be, then some things, maybe not all, are indeed not settled and therefore can’t be known.

Shannon can look and I can provide many scripture for this idea but you could find many for yours also. And the reformed theologians like Piper, Sproul and many others have plenty of scripture and years of education to back them up.

Some of us in the pentecostal denominations have spent a little too much time chasing experiences instead of knowledge to give a cohesive argument. We have borrowed for too long from the traditional reformed theologians, tweaking it just enough to be logically uncohesive, and moving on. Anyone that questions this is usually looked at as heretical when we do not swallow the whole ideas behind traditional ideology.

This is probably not the best place to deal with this. But do you believe, since God already knew it, that anyone but Obama could have been elected. And I don’t need just a yes; I need a logical answer of exactly how that could have happened.

This is not a challenge meant to bring any offense. I am still waiting for someone to show me how we can possibly make a choice that goes against what God already knows.

Love you

November 6th, 2008 at 10:49 pm

Connie

Gee Whiz you two. Now I have a headache
Just Kidding :halo:

November 7th, 2008 at 12:42 am

Sonny

I am pretty serious most of the time.

I believe Justin is a little ahead of me though.

Love you all

November 7th, 2008 at 1:36 am

Sabrina

I believe we all have free will. I think God knows what we are going to do but he still gives us choices and we need to pick the best one. I think of it as going down a straight path with God at the end but the path can have several different lanes to choose from to get there. God knows which one we should choose and which one we will choose. Some will be way off the correct path and some only a slight detour. I pray everyday that God guides me along the correct path but it is still up to me to listen and choose which path I want to go down. I also pray that God give me His strength to go down the correct path.

November 7th, 2008 at 2:16 pm

Nancy M

I want to start out by saying I am so glad I am not God. I know my ways are not His and even though I am striving to be Christ like I have soooo far to go. I sit and ponder over the strange things I hear daily, from family, friends, the kids on my bus, students here at T.H.S. and yes even the voice in my own head. I like to consider myself teachable and eager to learn, especially about God, His Word and ways to better serve Him. I also know that I am a creature of habbit and maybe not even the brightest bulb in the box but some things I just haven’t taken the time to wrap my mind around. I hope that if there is life on other planets they are serving God to their fullest potential (which if they are anything like us they probably aren’t). I am looking forward to the day when I can ask Jesus face to face some of the questions I have-I am sure I will be surpised.

I have odd ideas and thoughts at times but I think that God inspires those that seek Him to find Him in out of the way places. I believe God speaks to us in a way that we can hear Him and understand what He is trying to convey to us. Some hear him in a baby’s laugh and others in the gentle look from a elderly person. However He speaks to you, respond. Everyone wants to be loved and appreciated-Show someone God today.

Love you

Nancy

November 7th, 2008 at 2:39 pm

Sonny

Again, how can God guide you down ANY path if He already knows which path you ARE going to choose?

Love you all

November 7th, 2008 at 2:43 pm

Sonny

Welcome Nancy,

Good thoughts.

Love you all

November 7th, 2008 at 2:52 pm

Nancy M

I like the example you gave about chicken or steak. The one where you could choose to go to Shelby and possably die or go to Brookwood for better treatment. I think that some things in our lives are not unto death — not that important in the whole sceme of things–God will not over ride our free will but He does prompt us to make the right choices. When we insist on doing the things that lead to distruction He is there to pick up the pieces. I liken this to stained glass work. He takes our broken mess and puts it together in all His glory to make a work of unique art. I sometimes find it hard to see things the way God does. He is love and love covers a multitude of sin. God is perfect and his plans for me are perfect however my nature gets in the way alot of the time.

November 7th, 2008 at 3:12 pm

Connie

Sonny,
I “think” I saved that information I asked you about into a “Word” format. I emailed it to you. Could you open it? If not, I will just bring it Sunday. Thanks for looking at it for me.

Luz Ya,
Connie

November 7th, 2008 at 4:48 pm

Justin A

Sonny,
My comment on Esau you did not address. I just read the whole chapter (Romans 9). I think I have heard it preached before that God hated Esau even before he was born. After reading the chapter I don’t think it is saying that. I will try to be more diligent in making sure what I hear (or what I think I hear) is true.
However it does plainly say that before Esau was born, God said the elder would serve the younger. This is an example of God having foreknowledge. Did Esau have the choice to put God first? Could Jacob have chosen to be the hunter and could he have chosen to sell his birthright to Esau instead of the other way around? Could the situation have been reversed? I think they could have chosen anything they wanted to but God knew what they would choose. Here is my attempt at a formula. Man has free will (supported by many scriptures). God knows what men will do (at least in certain instances as supported by the story of Esau). Therefore God can know what someone will choose and they can also have free will.
By the way, most of this whole chapter seems to be saying that God decides who goes to Hell and who obtains mercy. I still believe in free will based on the summary at the end of the chapter. What do you think about Romans 9?
The scary part about free will is that it appears to me that God in some instances does remove free will and hardens hearts when people refuse him. I am thankful for his mercy.
(Maybe you need a forum just on free will. I have no idea how hard that is to set up. This is taking over your Totus Tuus column. Sorry.)

November 8th, 2008 at 7:16 am

Justin A

I notice I didn’t answer your challenge directly. I think the problem is the way you word the challenge. I’ll get back later. I have to go now. Pre-ordained.

November 8th, 2008 at 7:27 am

Sonny

I will not reword my questions to make it easier to answer. I can come up with those answers myself. Seriously, the way I worded it is valid and unanswerable within the predominant views of the church today. I think.

I am not just trying to argue here. I am trying to find out how people reach the conclusions they have about something that, at least to me, seems illogical. Are you really using the Bible and the word of God or are you using the traditions of the established church.

We are sometimes quick to jump on Catholics for their use of tradition but as Protestants we do no less. We just don’t admit it.

And yes, I may do a post or two on this topic.

Love you

November 8th, 2008 at 10:38 am

Justin A

You made a point that I think is very important and with which I fully agree concerning seeking experiences instead of knowledge. I think it is one of the main challenges to the church now. Most people, including me, do not know enough about the Bible. But many, I believe, are seeking experiences. Hosea 4:6a “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge”. I don’t find any scripture that says anyone is destroyed for lack of experiences. I can’t think of any scripture that says or implies that we ought to seek for experiences. One problem with seeking experiences is the lack of Biblical instruction to do so. Another huge problem with experiences is that if you have an experience you may take that as approval of your lifestyle. If we diligently seek to know more about God and seek to make our life conform to God’s plan, we can leave God in charge of experiences.

November 9th, 2008 at 7:29 am

Justin A

Your challenge is, “How we can possibly make a choice that goes against what God already knows?”

Part of the problem is the way the question is phrased. The issue is whether God can know what choice we are going to make. If he can, your question becomes, “How can we make a choice that is different from the choice we make?” I think you will agree that is not a good way to phrase the question. The question I would ask first is, “Does God know what choices we will make?” The second question I would ask is, “Do we have free will?” If God knows what choices we will make and if we have free will then foreknowledge does not preclude free will. I will point out again that my early examples, such as God reading tomorrow’s newspaper, were not intended to be proofs. They were just intended to show that it is at least possible to think of a way that free will can be compatible with foreknowledge. The proof must be taken from the Bible. I have seen many scriptures that can be construed to imply that God did not have foreknowledge of everything. It seems to me that if there is even one scripture that shows that God knows the choice someone will make before they make it, that will prove that God can have foreknowledge and we can still have free will. To answer the first question here are a few examples: God said the elder would serve the younger (Romans 9). Jesus knew that Judas would betray him. Jesus knew the colt would be tied in a certain place. The list could be long. As to the second question, there are also many Scriptures that certainly seem to indicate that we have free will. For example, John 3:16 would have no meaning if we did not have free will. Let me know if you see any flaws in my logic. BTW, the granddaughter picture is great.

November 9th, 2008 at 7:30 am

Justin A

Let me apply your question to my analogy. How can we possibly make a choice that goes against what today’s newspaper said we made? We could have made the choice differently but then the newspaper would have read differently. We could make any choice we want but then God would know that choice also. Again, this is just an analogy. Whatever the Bible says is the truth regardless of our analogies and questions. If the Bible says we have free will and if the Bible says God knows what choice we will make then foreknowledge doesn’t preclude free will. I have given just a few examples. I think we could find more. One possible scenario is that anytime God knows the future we do not have free will. This seems to me to negate the whosoever in John 3:16. I think you tied this issue in with the problem of suffering. I’m not sure what you mean by that if you would like to expand on it.

November 11th, 2008 at 6:41 am

Sonny

“Let me apply your question to my analogy. How can we possibly make a choice that goes against what today’s newspaper said we made? We could have made the choice differently but then the newspaper would have read differently.”

Exactly. The newspaper is an after the fact, or choice, report. Does not apply to foreknowledge.

“ We could make any choice we want but then God would know that choice also.”

Agreed. Know but not foreknow.

“Again, this is just an analogy. Whatever the Bible says is the truth regardless of our analogies and questions.”

Agreed, but what , exactly, does the bible say about exhaustive foreknowledge?

“If the Bible says we have free will and if the Bible says God knows what choice we will make then foreknowledge doesn’t preclude free will.”

Agreed on the if the bible says part but again, see my previous statement. I do still believe exhaustive foreknowledge does preclude the whole concept of free will. And as I stated, I believe in free will.

“ I have given just a few examples. I think we could find more. One possible scenario is that anytime God knows the future we do not have free will. This seems to me to negate the whosoever in John 3:16.”

If He wants to suspend free will to bring about what He purposes then that is alright. I just don’t believe He does very often. First because of His promises and second, because He does not have to. And I don’t see how this negates any statement in scripture, especially John 3:16. It actually implies, sort of , what I am saying. That whosoever wants to be saved can be and that God does not “foreknow” who will.

“I think you tied this issue in with the problem of suffering. I’m not sure what you mean by that if you would like to expand on it.”

In an upcoming post, I am going to address this.

Love you

November 11th, 2008 at 11:09 am

Justin A

Just a thought for you. How accurate do you think God is at predicting what kind of choices we will make. I guess 100%. What is your number?

November 11th, 2008 at 11:19 am

Sonny

I hate to speculate but I see this as a round about way for you to get me to admit exhaustive foreknowledge. I won’t.

He can “predict” better than anybody could ever imagine but, if he can exhaustively “predict” then let me ask you; What is the use, for Him, to even pretend there is relationship between us and Him.

Do you get along well or care about the well being of your computer, or vacuum cleaner, or car.

Love you

November 11th, 2008 at 11:56 am

Justin A

I guess I don’t understand the problem. The question is, “Does God know?” If he says he knows something then he knows it. The fact that I can’t figure out how he knows it and still has a relationship is irrelevant. Besides, if God knows what I will do, I don’t see how that will cause there to be “no relationship”. There are some situations where I know almost perfectly (not as well as God, of course) that someone I love is going to do something wrong. The knowing doesn’t affect my relationship as much as the fact that they are going to do wrong. But there is still a relationship and I still love them. And the fact that I am not God and do not know perfectly is irrelevant. I can believe with all my heart that they will do wrong and yet I still love them. I could have been wrong in my belief but I believed it totally and still had a relationship. So I don’t get your point about there not being a relationship. I don’t have relationships with inanimate objects but I do with people. Even people doing wrong things.

November 11th, 2008 at 5:33 pm

Sonny

The bible does not say that God knows everything, always, before it happens. Man says it does. It does imply this if you can dismiss the many, many other places that show He does not. I am not ready to exhaustively defend this here. I am currently doing this on Wednesday night. It goes much better in person.

But I will write a couple of posts about this. We don’t seem to be getting anywhere and it is not something that I think will get either of our souls in danger. But the wrong idea about God and His foreknowledge does affect the very idea about evil and suffering in some of the lost’s minds.

I am sorry that you don’t see that, the same as I am sorry that people like Calvin, Sproul, McArthur and others don’t see the hollowness of this doctrine of exhaustive foreknowledge.

Love you

November 11th, 2008 at 6:01 pm

Justin A

My understanding is that Calvin and Sproul (and I assume McArthur) believe that no one has a choice and that all are predestinated to either Heaven or Hell. I don’t believe anyone is predestinated to Heaven or Hell. I think you already knew that but I wanted to reiterate. I will wait for your post on evil and suffering. Also, I am interested in knowing the places which show that God does not know everything before it happens. BTW, I tried to be sure not to say that I believe God knows everything. I think that is another subject. My point was only that it is not illogical to believe that God can know what choice we will make and yet we can still have free will. Stopping now. And waiting on your “evil” class. Maybe you can post your notes or we can get together since I can’t come on Wednesday.

November 11th, 2008 at 8:03 pm

john snyder

Sonny, heres my new address:alabastersnyder43@yahoo.com

November 13th, 2008 at 11:31 pm

Dee Prince

Hello all,

This is the first time I have commented on this page. I enjoy reading all of your comments…headache and all…LOL

Please keep our family in your prayers. We have another round with the courts and DHR coming up on December 9th.2008 and again January 20, 2009. We have fought for 13 years to keep our (5) grandchildren together after they were placed for adoption. We lost our battle the beginning of October when we were given a new case worker and judge who were not familiar with the 13 year history of our family.

This case worker was fresh out of college, we were her first case and she had something to prove. She abused her power and placed our grandchildren in “state owned” facilities (AKA hospitals/prisons) and foster homes. The children were spilt up and we are having major ordeal trying to visit all of them. :angel:

I would like to use this opportunity to ask if anyone has been WRONGED by DHR ( Department of Human Resources) to please contact me. We have found several incidents where this case worker violated our rights and privacy. My attorney is doing a class action suit and we need people to participate. If you know a family or individual who has been torn apart by this evil agency, let me know. This case worker has now resigned her position at DHR as of November 21,2008 but not before she tore ourfamily completely apart

My contact info is: princedee@bellsouth.net

205-663-3700-hm

This is my plea against the “evil” we have encountered.

Love and prayers,

Dee

November 25th, 2008 at 11:19 am

Tammy

I just wanted to take a moment and say that
I love you, Sonny, and I am very proud of you.
Love always,
Sweet T

December 1st, 2008 at 9:31 pm

Connie

Tammy…… gag

December 1st, 2008 at 10:33 pm

Connie

I received the following quote today in an email from a friend. She found it on another website. I liked it and thought I would share it…..

“This week I will practice elevating belief to faith. Belief may falter, faith remains steadfast. Belief can be altered, changed, argued, debated. Faith, just is. It brings us to a closer conscious contact to and with God, because questions have ceased and whole faith has replaced it. Prayer, meditation, conversation, and study of God is worthy, they are components to our spiritual growth. But, if we never move to the next level in faith, we’re left ever just talking. Continuing in defending beliefs, rather than living in faith that God doesn’t need our defense, He can well take care of Himself … and us. Infinitely. faith makes gray of nightmares, and shines the Light upon our brightest of dreams. It turns hope to reality, and joy of despair. Faith stands before belief, waiting.”

Peace,
Connie

December 2nd, 2008 at 8:38 am

Sabrina Walker

Thank you Connie. I needed that.

December 4th, 2008 at 2:24 am

Tammy

Connie,
meet me in the gathering, we will discuss this gag thing…

December 4th, 2008 at 7:18 pm

Sabrina Walker

Hi! Just wanted to tell you guys about something Xerox is doing, and has been doing for the last few years for our men and women in the military stationed overseas. It is special to me because Kirk is in the military and we know people here on base that do not have anyone to send them Christmas cards.

If you go to their website, letssaythanks.com, you can pick out a card design and a phrase you want inside the card, and they will print it out and send it to a person in the military stationed overseas. They do this all year long but ask everyone to participate during the Christmas season.

With love and prayers and a Merry Christmas, Sabrina

December 5th, 2008 at 1:29 pm

Sonny

This would be a great new post on the forum. This page is good also, so why not try it over on A Sonny Gathering also. Sooner or later I will have to close the comments on this page because of the length.

The forum is going to be a great place for announcements such as this and other discussions. If everybody will go over there and register, so your posts will be counted, then go to one of the forums and select new topic and post away. The more the merrier.

Love you all

December 5th, 2008 at 1:37 pm

Sonny

Sabrina,

I copied and posted the announcement above on the forum also.

I am not trying to get anyone away from this blog but some people out there will read a forum but not a blog. I want to maintain both as long as I can.

Please do go there and register though. I posted it under your name but as a guest.

As for anyone else reading this, there may be some of these other posts moved over there also.

But again, this is the main site. Please keep responding to my posts because it helps me to grow and for that, I thank you all.

Love you

December 6th, 2008 at 10:06 am

Sabrina Walker

Thank you Sonny.

I have a prayer request. Someone very close to me is going in for a breast cancer biopsy today. Please pray that nothing is wrong and the test will come back negative. Please pray for me also because I have a major decision to make if the test does come back positive. I need God’s guidance, hope, and peace strongly right now. I have faith but prayer always helps and never hurts. Thanks. :angel:

Love and Prayer to all, Sabrina

December 10th, 2008 at 1:29 pm

Sabrina Walker

Results are back. They have not said what it was but it is not cancer! Thank you Lord!

December 16th, 2008 at 10:53 am

Sonny

Aiden Layne was born January 7 2009 and is the son of our youngest niece Mikah. Adam is the father and his grandparents are Shane and Katrina.

Aiden Layne

Shane a grandpa??

January 10th, 2009 at 10:49 pm

TILLER

Does anyone use the audo books. Specifically in a digital form for an ipod?

January 11th, 2009 at 3:01 am

Nancy M

I like what Pastor Barnes said yesterday about reading “When we read the Word of God-the Word of God is reading us”. Are we a story worth reading? Action packed or mystery? Fiction or true grit? I think if we realized what we read like we would reach down deep inside of ourselves and ask for a rewright of our story. What do you think?

February 2nd, 2009 at 2:19 pm

Chris

Just a thought.

Let’s restart, and give some basis for why these post are the way they are.

It forces people to think or to run. If people choose to run that is fine, but God did not ask us to shy away from controversy.

Any way to advance God is the right thing to do, and everyone has a different way to go about it.

I love the site and it has brought me closer to God as opposed to further away. I have been reading more and have learned things I never would have thought about.

I am sorry that Jesse felt that he can’t post anymore, but that is unfortunately his loss. Because through all the controversy there is a lot of truth and sense being discussed.

I feel more comfortable in this blog than going to a church and having someone spoon feed me the information they feel is important while leaving out critical elements from their sermons. They do this just to keep themselves in power and the masses ignorant. Just like the politicians.

There are too many divisions in the church to even mention, and when someone feels uncomfortable maybe it gives them the chance to think instead of be lead.

We should only be following God/Jesus not the people who run the church; or any other man, woman, or child who exist.

This site gives me the chance to expand on what I know, and that is more than what I have gotten out of years attending church.

Sonny, I say keep it going, but advertise it more and put some lighter topics for those who want to see that as well. The site is great to me, but to some others I guess they don’t see it that way.

May 24th, 2009 at 11:30 pm